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felicia, one last thing, and i can't get enough of paul ryan so i will ask you about paul ryan again. does paul ryan view himself as elevated after this campaign? it's an odd thing to go from being the vp and you're surrounded by security and now you're a house member again not that that's a bad thing but it's a different thing. was he prepared for this adjustment? it seemed mitt romney was stunned when he lost. did you get any clue that he thought this was coming? >> absolutely not. he was in the same boat that romney was. he didn't have the misfortune of telling the press corps he prepared a victory speech and not a concession speech. he was in the same boat. >> just stunned. >> stunned. his family, his staff, everybody. we saw it at headquarters, they were not prepared for this. i think it says a lot about how much confidence they had in the message they were bringing. you see even in the interviews that he's done since election day he hasn't really, you know, sounded the same note that some people -- that bobby jindal had, that we need to change course. >> i think it will be a fas
felicia, one last thing, and i can't get enough of paul ryan so i will ask you about paul ryan again. does paul ryan view himself as elevated after this campaign? it's an odd thing to go from being the vp and you're surrounded by security and now you're a house member again not that that's a bad thing but it's a different thing. was he prepared for this adjustment? it seemed mitt romney was stunned when he lost. did you get any clue that he thought this was coming? >> absolutely not. he...
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he revealed himself in that 47%, and paul ryan did the same thing talking about takers and givers. what he did it is disconfirm t -- just to confirm that this is who he is. >> where does the party go from here? does it need to brebuild? >> yes, it needs to rebuild. romney and the republicans have become the rip van winkle party could they have awakened from their slumber to find that there are black and brown people in america and the jews and asians, and somehow they have all been given the vote. how did this happen? [laughter] they have been bribed. they have been giving gifts to these strange people. >> they are all special interest groups. they are not part of the whole. nine people getting some relief - -- young people getting some relief -- >> but you have responsible republicans saying we need to reach more to hispanics -- >> marco rubio said yesterday, "i don't know these people who don't want to work." these republican governors, if you are in a gerrymandered house is to, you could do the 47%. if you are part with any presidential aspirations, you cannot keep saying it's a
he revealed himself in that 47%, and paul ryan did the same thing talking about takers and givers. what he did it is disconfirm t -- just to confirm that this is who he is. >> where does the party go from here? does it need to brebuild? >> yes, it needs to rebuild. romney and the republicans have become the rip van winkle party could they have awakened from their slumber to find that there are black and brown people in america and the jews and asians, and somehow they have all been...
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paul ryan? to strike a deal? the same paul ryan who's been flexible time and time again? the same guy whose ideas were rejected by the american people on election night? who wanted to voucherize medicare and cut taxes for the rich? he's their guy to work out a deal on taxes? the truth is a lot of republicans don't want to deal. they want to see the error of their ways even when they're called out on. >> why wouldn't a middle-class voter look at that and say these guys, the gop, are all about protecting the rich? >> we're the party that wants growth, pro-growth policies. let the democratic party be the party of government growing revenues. this country doesn't need two liberal or democratic parties. yes, we need to show our policies are appealing and work for the middle class, but we don't need to abandon our principles. this country doesn't need two democratic parties. >> don't be fooled. when a republican says pro growth, what he really means is trickle-down. it's never worked. but that doesn't stop republicans from pulling out their old playbook. here's what influential
paul ryan? to strike a deal? the same paul ryan who's been flexible time and time again? the same guy whose ideas were rejected by the american people on election night? who wanted to voucherize medicare and cut taxes for the rich? he's their guy to work out a deal on taxes? the truth is a lot of republicans don't want to deal. they want to see the error of their ways even when they're called out on. >> why wouldn't a middle-class voter look at that and say these guys, the gop, are all...
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americans just voted against paul's vision for our nation. paul ryan's vision for our nation. house minority leader nancy pelosi is optimistic that democrats and republicans can come to some sort of compromise by mid december. but on abc's this week, she also made it clear that a deal has to do more than just close tax loopholes. it has to raise revenue by raising taxes on top earners. >> just to close loopholes is far too little money. if it is going to bring in revenue, the president has been very clear. that the higher income people have to pay their fair share. >> that's what they like to see. democrats holding strong. two turkeys are going to head from virginia to d.c. today. where one is going to get the official presidential pardon on wednesday. craig and nancy miller raised the birds in harrisonburg. they bring two just in case one gets sick along the way. get this. the ap reports they'll spend two nights at the w hotel before wednesday's ceremony and then they're going to be retired at mount vernon. not a bad stay in d.c. we're back with more after the break. >>i jump
americans just voted against paul's vision for our nation. paul ryan's vision for our nation. house minority leader nancy pelosi is optimistic that democrats and republicans can come to some sort of compromise by mid december. but on abc's this week, she also made it clear that a deal has to do more than just close tax loopholes. it has to raise revenue by raising taxes on top earners. >> just to close loopholes is far too little money. if it is going to bring in revenue, the president...
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now that those who believed in austerity have abandoned it, will paul ryan accept that the president's balanced approach is actually the better way to deliver economic growth? >> yes, and i think the comment from this colorful mayor as well as a lot of other european leaders should make both parties step back here. remember what the fiscal cliff, the prem m is -- the entire premise that it is based on in august of 2011, which is that we had to have deficit reduction to match dollar to dollar the amount of debt ceiling extension. that is a good policy if we're in 3% or 4% economic growth but when the economy is growing at 1% or 2% growth you don't engage in fiscal austerity. 90% of all economists believe in keynesian economics. the idea now that we have to be facing a fiscal cliff when the economy is only at 2% is wrong and is wrong for most economists' point of view. if democrats and republicans are looking for a way out of the fiscal cliff, this whole idea of having to cut $1.6 trillion in january '13 is just a made up number. it's an artifice. there's no reason we need to stick to th
now that those who believed in austerity have abandoned it, will paul ryan accept that the president's balanced approach is actually the better way to deliver economic growth? >> yes, and i think the comment from this colorful mayor as well as a lot of other european leaders should make both parties step back here. remember what the fiscal cliff, the prem m is -- the entire premise that it is based on in august of 2011, which is that we had to have deficit reduction to match dollar to...
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but then why are house republican leaders bringing paul ryan in to sell this to the caucus? paul ryan, whose returned -- i can't even say it -- hunting pheasant, hunting pheasant -- >> venting some steam against what may be an inevitable reality. election day -- i had good vibes and i think millions of others did, because there were clear priorities when people re-elected the president. they wanted jobs and growth and they wanted tax hikes on the top 2%, the richest in this country, who have had all the income growth in this last year. i think, you know, progressives, citizens of conscience, need to be one, reframe this debate it's about jobs and growth and not get deficit obsessed. inside the beltway there's a well-funded campaign to have deficit reduction be the top thing, but it's jobs and growth. bill crystal had a come to jesus moment -- >> in favor of higher taxes. >> their capital gains and dividends and carried interest, private hedge fund taxes, the main thing is that at a time of great economic insecurity, particularly the elderly, why should there be cuts in earne
but then why are house republican leaders bringing paul ryan in to sell this to the caucus? paul ryan, whose returned -- i can't even say it -- hunting pheasant, hunting pheasant -- >> venting some steam against what may be an inevitable reality. election day -- i had good vibes and i think millions of others did, because there were clear priorities when people re-elected the president. they wanted jobs and growth and they wanted tax hikes on the top 2%, the richest in this country, who...
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but then dealing with paul ryan, dealing with trump, all these people that had his back supposedly and just him being there and the only person he had to rely on through it all was his wife. i think that's nice. i thought it was a thoughtful way to sort of say, you know, (bleep) off. (laughter) (cheers and applause) >> jon: you look at -- he has undeniably like -- talk about a family -- people say the most important thing is family. talk about a family unit that is large, successful, good looking. you wonder, you turned around and you saw them all surround him at his concession spaoefpb and he's so heartbroken and that sense of "at least i still have my family." but do you think he looked at them like "all right. whatever." >> this will do. this will be fine. no i truly think that the guy's more human than we give him credit for. >> jon: did he ever stop by? >> i've never met him or joe biden. my father met joe biden in 2008 and had a really funny line where he said to the senator at that time, you know, hey, you do the best impression of my son i've ever seen. (laughter) >> jon: that'
but then dealing with paul ryan, dealing with trump, all these people that had his back supposedly and just him being there and the only person he had to rely on through it all was his wife. i think that's nice. i thought it was a thoughtful way to sort of say, you know, (bleep) off. (laughter) (cheers and applause) >> jon: you look at -- he has undeniably like -- talk about a family -- people say the most important thing is family. talk about a family unit that is large, successful, good...
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you know the paul ryan budget plan as well as paul ryan. you know it well. what can you say about the plan knowing you were critical of it you, proposed it? what do you see in that plan that could be the basis for middle ground between yourself and paul ryan moving forward? you will be part of these negotiations. is there anything in the plan that could be the seed for compromise? any area that you would be willing to negotiate with republicans attacked there is very little overlap between the democratic budget and the house republican budget. there are some areas of, for its --, and brown. this is a point i want to in and says. this term is used a lot. stocks this would be great to find common ground. compromise will be aetna and require. the need to have to accept some things you do not lead and in exchange for moving forward and accomplishing a national objective. compromise has been in short supply. hopefully, when this will allow us to move forward. it needs to move forward in the context of an understanding that these issues were central to the vice pr
you know the paul ryan budget plan as well as paul ryan. you know it well. what can you say about the plan knowing you were critical of it you, proposed it? what do you see in that plan that could be the basis for middle ground between yourself and paul ryan moving forward? you will be part of these negotiations. is there anything in the plan that could be the seed for compromise? any area that you would be willing to negotiate with republicans attacked there is very little overlap between the...
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you see a lot of questions about the tea partiers, paul ryan and a these o. these, will they be on board. a lot of people are worried you can't get this done without having failures associated with it. >> john, we were hoping after the election this may be the age of aquarius, dogs and catse, blah, blah, blah. if you take what we saw over the weekend on the sunday talk shows, it's really host still from the left and the right. you see that what nancy pelosi said, what john boehner has been saying. then you go back to the president's press conference taking a pretty tough decisive tone on susan rice. and then you look at what's happening -- and also his position on the tax increases. take all of that together, it looks like more of the same. do you think -- do you sense, from your reporting, are we just having people circle each other or are their feet in stone? >> i think there's still some areas where people can move and get to the right place. but, you know, the two things i just keep thinking about is i think the business community, i think, what steve say
you see a lot of questions about the tea partiers, paul ryan and a these o. these, will they be on board. a lot of people are worried you can't get this done without having failures associated with it. >> john, we were hoping after the election this may be the age of aquarius, dogs and catse, blah, blah, blah. if you take what we saw over the weekend on the sunday talk shows, it's really host still from the left and the right. you see that what nancy pelosi said, what john boehner has...
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for example, when romney announced paul ryan, you notice the background, all white. why? that's just stupid if you're trying to reach out to voters. same thing at the convention -- >> you blame it solely on on the candidate himself not -- >> and the party. the candidate and the campaign and some of our senatorial candidates got it better which is why they faired fairly well. but you have to have the positive optimistic reaganesque message, sound money, lower tax rate, opportunity of controlling your own health care and the like. >> but people say demographics are going in the wrong direction. >> demographics change. we assume if you start out in a certain part of life you're going to stay there forever? no. people move up. >> what about -- >> irish, italians were all seen as democrat. ray began coeagan comes along, to republican. >> you ck didn't have 47% on th receiving end. i'm allowed to say 47%. i'm not running for anything. it wasn't 47% when reagan was running. and i'm with andrew on this, listening to the radio, there was this really smart guy organization he was t
for example, when romney announced paul ryan, you notice the background, all white. why? that's just stupid if you're trying to reach out to voters. same thing at the convention -- >> you blame it solely on on the candidate himself not -- >> and the party. the candidate and the campaign and some of our senatorial candidates got it better which is why they faired fairly well. but you have to have the positive optimistic reaganesque message, sound money, lower tax rate, opportunity of...
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host: paul ryan, the republican vice presidential nominee, the chairman of the budgets committee in the halls of the capital -- congress is off this week. they will be back next week to continue negotiations on how to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. in the "washington times we have this story -- let's go to janine from tallahassee, florida. caller: good morning. it's actually joni. -- [indiscernible] we were upset with bush because he was hetoo much money. now we have this guy was ben's triple and double the money, which is even worse -- who spends triple and double. the republican party needs to stop listening to all the talking heads and everybody who tells them you have to move further west to hold on to your party. that is why they are losing the party. they need to stand for something and not just keep pandering to selected groups. this is supposed to be the united states. it is supposed to be equal opportunity, not tribalism. that's where we are going. if they continue to do that, that's why they are losing their constituency. there is a veiled difference between them and the de
host: paul ryan, the republican vice presidential nominee, the chairman of the budgets committee in the halls of the capital -- congress is off this week. they will be back next week to continue negotiations on how to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. in the "washington times we have this story -- let's go to janine from tallahassee, florida. caller: good morning. it's actually joni. -- [indiscernible] we were upset with bush because he was hetoo much money. now we have this guy was ben's...
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. >> but you still of senior republicans, including paul ryan who sang it's not an intention to raise tax rates. they want to do this with loopholes. what they say is they don't want to agree to tax hikes now, spending cuts that they don't think will ever materialize. how are you going to work with republicans in the house, if they're going to carry on saying listen, this is not something we're going to go sheet on as they have for the last two years to get to that make up you have to deal with. >> there has been some change there, and speaker boehner has put up with you all that branch and signified he is willing to talk. that's what negotiations are about. i just look out the clinton, bush tax cut issue and where you put the rates as a major part of the solution when you look at the amount of money you could bring in and you add that into some of the deductions we're talking about, but that is a big chunk of change. >> and in a press conference he just did, the president seemed to -- >> one of my colleagues from where this enemies i missed it, they did pass their blackberry over com
. >> but you still of senior republicans, including paul ryan who sang it's not an intention to raise tax rates. they want to do this with loopholes. what they say is they don't want to agree to tax hikes now, spending cuts that they don't think will ever materialize. how are you going to work with republicans in the house, if they're going to carry on saying listen, this is not something we're going to go sheet on as they have for the last two years to get to that make up you have to...
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suddenly you have paul ryan back in the mix. this is like having john back in the mix. i don't know if you remember him. there are still a lot of people, a lot of people in the republican party who are saying this $250,000 and more, i will go to my grave before i raise taxes for the wealthy and i'm not hearing any of these guys saying i used to believe in not raising taxes for the wealthy and now i believe it. >> david has been a critic. problems are going to come along. in light of that, what's today all about? what are these futures all about? >> we live in a period of hope where you come in and the last guy you spoke is positive. the next guy -- senator mcconnell, i think what he says is futures you should be up, market should be down. we're not going anywhere. go short the market. that's not exactly what mcconnell would be saying but that's how i would read his comments. favors lower stock prices for all. that's a problem. >> it was interesting that he addresses december selling and notion that higher capital gains taxes, higher dividend taxes are going to increase
suddenly you have paul ryan back in the mix. this is like having john back in the mix. i don't know if you remember him. there are still a lot of people, a lot of people in the republican party who are saying this $250,000 and more, i will go to my grave before i raise taxes for the wealthy and i'm not hearing any of these guys saying i used to believe in not raising taxes for the wealthy and now i believe it. >> david has been a critic. problems are going to come along. in light of that,...